Updated.

i think the whole packaged thing is that you want all 'default' races to be perfectly, and fully compatable with both tf2 AND css.  no races that are restricted to a single game should be released as packaged.

I would, as my values do not change based on my mood.

qwerty said what needed to be said and I agree.

It's your decision in the end, and no one gives a f*ck anyways, it appears.

So let's just move on and agree that your race = better if game = TF.

I for one won't be contributing anything, anytime. Sure, one might argue that this is OpenSource, but I see no reason to contribute to something that in no way reflects sane values.

Good day and enjoy your life, I'm done here.

freedom of opinion rules!
It is quite a good race but I need to agree qwerty.. Basicly I dont care which things get packaged cause ownz knows what he is doing.. and I'm happy for each people who gets something packaged.  But packaging is something special and should be super-compatible(I dont say your stuff is bad, I realy like it!)

I dont know what drugs you guys have been taking, but forcing compatibilities for each game is not going to work.

There's no mole for TF2, that item must be removed from CSS!
There's no chameleon for TF2, that item must be removed from CSS!
None of the races are good enough for L4D, must remove them all!

Each game has it's own features that may not exist on other games, such weapon restricted races for CSS.

Why should a packaged race affect you anyway? If its not compatible with your game, it will be disabled. If you are raging about why this race isn't compatible, why don't you instead be proactive and make it compatible? This community is for contributors to share. Its a good thing we have a handful of them...frezzy, schecromacer, glider just to name a few. We are making races for the community for free. If your purpose here is to grab races and learn money off them by making them private, go a head, i can't stop you, but you better not have the effrontery to complain someone didn't make a race just for you.

why shouldn't they?  i simply used css and tf2 because they're the most visible examples.

I don't get the bold part...
The reason I am actually visiting this forum is to enhance my knowledge and see what other people create.
Personally, I believe that's the MAIN purpose of exchanging ideas.
For one thing, I would like to be able to play them, test them. (read below, got it covered)
Secondly, I just feel that these races should at least be compatible with TWO games.

If you don't own CSS, don't buy it. TF2 is free. PERIOD.
That would be a reason why I could SEE how a TF2 race could get packaged. But I own CSS, as do other people. I feel like we are getting deprived off of our limitations.

Don't get me wrong: if I were to be given reasonable excuses and explanations for why a race cannot be ported, I could see. I would shut my mouth faster than that little mouse on TV can run.

But all I can actually read is "tf2 needs races, so stfu." <- Yes, I paraphrased the entire discussion into 5 words. Disagree and discuss if you will, but consider how this is what I feel like seeing.

Cheers Ownz, mad props on your work here. ;9


Firstly, that's not the matter.
I haven't contributed, yes. However, my post never implied the fact that I DID. It was more about that I never will.
I've made about 15 races so far, at least 50% of those are coded from scratch ENTIRELY. The other ones were made so that I could get used to the mod.

Would you like to know why I haven't "contributed" them to this mod? The current discussion won't allow me to. Besides, as a perfectionist, I could not release anything I'm not 100% happy with or sth. that only works 80% of the time or is CS-only.
That's me.

Currently writing a plugin to enhance the gameplay on our server, using a Mana system to store and use Mana. (as opposed to using $$ as "mana".)
I like to think that even though it won't be a super "OMFGSYAY" plugin, it will be something that I have made. And if there WERE an interest, I'd gladly give away the code.

So, please. Don't insult me. My intentions were always pure and I never tried to humiliate you in any way, please do not forget that. There's no reason to rub that fact in my face, as I know I haven't contributed, yet.

But heck, I'm playing TF2 RIGHT now so that I can learn the physics, gameplay etc.. I could even port some of MY races over to TF2 AND port YOUR races over to CSS, as personally, I really like them and think they're great.

Don't misinterpret my words, as feeling vulnerable or angry doesn't help.

Cheers

PS: Good idea to move the spam to G.D., ownz.

EDIT:
Reading all this stuff about L4D, I believe that it should be excluded from the discussion.
Apparently, the entire game structure differs from TF2 & CSS, while the latter actually are compatible with each other.

So before we compare ANYTHING to L4D, let's remember how it seems to be too good for us! (Kidding! Put down the tomatoes!)
Also, cannot test and play L4D as I do not own it.

If that's what you're getting from my post, then I seriously urge you to read the thing again, reconsider what you wrote and apologize.

If you do not, however, it will merely show me how you misinterpreted my entire post to suit your twisted way of seeing things.

Smilax may be your protégé, but that's no reason to completely ignore common sense so that you can counter my arguments, that you supposedly see as insults, accusations and rage.


I'm very disappointed with that quote and it hurts me deeply to see that you cannot comprehend my intent.


EDIT:

Just to clear some air, here's my take on how my arguments are apparently just bullcrap.

My assumption is based on the comparison between L4D and the rest.
If you compare 3 numbers - 1231235, 4325 and 8768.
Then the latter (4325, 8768) are much SMALLER than 1231235 is.

Now let's use that metaphor and apply it to my arguments.

In comparison to L4D and TF2-CS, TF2 and CS seem much more likely to be named compatible.
That's my argument. No idea how you could misunderstand.

Also, as I've already said: I do not OWN L4D, so all my assumptions and my so-called "accusations" are based ENTIRELY on what YOU guys said in your post.
So, from what I COULD gather, L4D seems...not compatible, or at least not very much.

And NO, I am not doing it so that people can feel great.

It's a matter of HOW much coding interests you.

If information technology interest you, then learning languages you don't give a fuck about is crucial.

If you do not give a fuck about them, then you are a close-minded, dimwitted person!

And my exclamation mark could NOT be any clearer. So if you are really that kind of person, I'll have no choice but to quit this discussion RIGHT now, as the basis of a discussion is trying to find the most suitable answer and/or solution. It is IMPOSSIBLE to argue with someone whose only intent is to be the f*cking best person, eager to utter the phrase "I'M RIGHT!!!!!".


Using a lot of conditional sentences here, so no direct insults are given. Only if any of these apply to you, you're screwed.

Shivering too much, cannot even begin to start.

This appears to be turning into a person vendetta for the both of us.
I, apparently, am not uttering my intent well enough.
You, apparently, misinterpret them and then feel hurt.

I believe it's in our best interest if we call it a night RIGHT now.

I've seen your reaction to some of my phrases. I believe them to be far off from what I wanted to say.

However, I am not, nor will I ever be a leecher. That had to be said, as I feel very much wronged on that point.
Some of your arguments were very valid and have altered my way of seeing things, which, in retrospect, may have been close-minded and ignorant. Thanks for that.

One last thing...
If you quote me on certain things, then base your arguments on that quote, don't ignore the fact that I  reevaluated them two lines below that. The thing about the leeching was a really offensive thing, as I love to create, love to enhance, love to see and comprehend what other people have created, all in order to evolve. And I am not LEECHING anything. (Apart from maybe the general mod environment Anthony Iacono and Ownz have provided us with, but as I create new things based on it, I do not consider it leeching.)


Got riled up enough in 1h for ONE week. I've seen how this forum differs from my point of view entirely and how you have very fixed views on subjects that have a right to be discussed, to be questioned, to be criticized.

I don't know what your stand is on this, but if my right to debate and question is gone, then I do not want to live in such a world.

Had a great time here, won't be coming back anytime soon.

Have a great day and a great life, please continue creating amazing things.

Regards,
Vulpone.

Vulpone has a server 

Yes, I partially teached him how to code war3source races.
It is maybe our community testserver or our public w3s server