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« on: September 13, 2011, 09:43:16 AM » |
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Hey everybody I just found that war3source has a "new" (no idea since when its there) addon to enable war3 users to use WCS Races (or enable WCS users to use their races with war3^^).
I tested it but somehow had problems with the actual "skill execution".
Everything else did just look perfect and extremely easy to use (like put the race.ini in and its done o_O).
So I wonder whats the status of this addon? Is it working and just me failing? Or is it known to be faulty? If so is there any schedule for it?
greetings
kami
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Ownz
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 12:28:45 AM » |
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its written by anthony and he has been .... alive but inactive on war3source
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Kami
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2011, 05:50:43 AM » |
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Is there any chance you could look into this in the future?
It seems to be pretty much close to working, everything that its missing is the skills beeing executed.
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Ownz
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2011, 06:55:49 AM » |
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i dont know enough wcs to do that
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2011, 08:54:31 AM » |
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Well as I said most of the things do work already. Like you can choose a race and all the war3 stuff (like playerinfo, and raceinfo and so on) works on that race. there just seems to be an error while executing the lines. And I think you can get INI lines with SM too without knowing WCS eh?  |
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2011, 11:20:06 PM » |
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However interesting this may be, honestly it takes so little effort to move a WCS race to War3 while gaining benefits that would be a bit difficult to implement in a simple Race Support Addon, such as use of War3's buff system.
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2011, 05:45:14 PM » |
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ur saying "port the damn thing instead"?
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 05:59:49 PM » |
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Port the damn race, yep.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2011, 03:17:22 AM » |
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ur saying "port the damn thing instead"?
Yes. The coder, that is. Please don't make it easier for wcs races to be ported over to war3source. I have as little knowledge of wcs as anyone could have (well, I've played around so I know some things) but the vast amount copy-paste-overpowered wcs races out there is just frightening! I don't want that coming to war3source! ofc, one might argue that no ones forcing me to play those races and ....... all I gotta say is: why ruin w3s' great quality..? |
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 04:04:55 AM » |
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Was planning to stay out of this but guy above me ^
Your argument is so invalid, who says every server owner is going to do this? No one is forcing anyone to use or play these it just makes it easier and allows the mod to grow. The way I see it each wcs command would need a w3s like, list of skills/functions unless you only allow for the simple setbuffs which still means people will need sourcepawn, it just might help bridge people over..
e.g wcs_setspeed will do the war3 buff of setspeed and such..
I think that or a generic skill system would be good to see, make it easier and noob friendly.. I know, copy paste races are terrible but it does help people who don't know how to copy the proper checks and such from other races.
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2011, 08:40:29 AM » |
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well, im my opinion, having copy and pasting races isn't "growing", its more like "cancer"
remember w3s focused on quality? like stringent checks on where you can deal damage and where you can set damagemod percent
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2011, 11:27:53 AM » |
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Was planning to stay out of this but guy above me ^
Your argument is so invalid, who says every server owner is going to do this? No one is forcing anyone to use or play these it just makes it easier and allows the mod to grow. The way I see it each wcs command would need a w3s like, list of skills/functions unless you only allow for the simple setbuffs which still means people will need sourcepawn, it just might help bridge people over..
e.g wcs_setspeed will do the war3 buff of setspeed and such..
I think that or a generic skill system would be good to see, make it easier and noob friendly.. I know, copy paste races are terrible but it does help people who don't know how to copy the proper checks and such from other races.
I already commented on that before you even wrote it. Read the last line: ofc, one might argue that no ones forcing me to play those races and ....... all I gotta say is: why ruin w3s' great quality..?
Also, well, im my opinion, having copy and pasting races isn't "growing", its more like "cancer"
remember w3s focused on quality? like stringent checks on where you can deal damage and where you can set damagemod percent This. Anyways, if you really think it's necessary, then you're free to do it. I am with ownz on this one. If they truly want to learn how to do stuff, they're not going to do so by just copy-pasting it and letting the engine do the rest. In the end, it's what makes war3source so much better.. Perhaps it's even better that making war3source stuff actually requires some thought and love.. Or else we'd end up like wcs, where everyone thinks their races are AWESOME because they essentially mixed Night Elf, Undead and Human and then call it "Monster" with great descriptions like "hp, leech, invis, speed, 1hit everybody". They'll learn a lot more by just porting their stuff over. I see no reason in asking ownz to do this - it will most likely be him or Glider who have to do the work - for something that is neither necessary nor desired by many... I won't complain if anyone does it, I just don't think it's worth any time. Cheers PS: Yes, I'm a bit off an arse when it gets to this point. It has nothing to do with you or the folks at wcs who have done a GREAT job. I'm not criticizing the folks that made it, or develop it - i'm criticizing the folks that release those crappy races. And YES, people ARE forced to play it. Been to over 3 wcs servers today and all of them stink! You join and you immediately get killed because some guys has a race lvl 10000000 that is OP as hell. War3Source races have to respect each other, consider how all races are alike and should harmonize. That's one of the reasons I decided to go with war3source - because it's fair to EVERYONE. Thanks |
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« Last Edit: October 11, 2011, 11:35:30 AM by Vulpone »
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2011, 11:42:10 AM » |
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yea that forcing to play the beginning races.....which w3s has the minlevels requirement, im pretty sure was requested by many in order for server owners to earn money
the original goal is to have races that are fully balanced, and minlevels ruin that
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2011, 12:00:25 PM » |
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yea that forcing to play the beginning races.....which w3s has the minlevels requirement, im pretty sure was requested by many in order for server owners to earn money
the original goal is to have races that are fully balanced, and minlevels ruin that
I'll have to disagree on the last point. In the end, I believe in some sort of ethical code that all coders should obey, regardless of the mod or the game. I see minlevels as an opportunity to make the player yearn for newer races. The races I code are not aimed at being better than the one before them, but being more interesting, more intriguing! I just released a race that can loot off of corpses by holding e for 5 seconds (including a %-meter that goes up to 100) and then gain some random reward, like Knives, bullets for a special gun skill, gold, xp, $$ etc etc. And it's currently the highest min-level race on our server. It's not because it's a lot better than others (heck, it doesnt even have extra dmg, evade or any of those), it's simply NEW. And people WANT it. I've been approached several time by players on our server saying stuff like "I can't wait for level 900 so I can play XYZ !! It'll be really fun!" and that way we can keep them, enrich their gaming experience. I'm sure you can understand.. But in the end it's up to the coder. A race can be something magical, but it's the coder who can make that happen. I'm not to keen on paying for levels, but I'm not the host of the server.. so, yeah. lol. I believe I'm getting off-topic. Sorry for that. Huh. |
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2011, 12:26:41 PM » |
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im completely fine if the original 8 are not minleveled and listed in the front of changerace, but server owners minlevel those and replace the starting races with shitty ones
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2011, 01:00:03 PM » |
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<thumbs up>
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2011, 01:06:09 PM » |
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im completely fine if the original 8 are not minleveled and listed in the front of changerace, but server owners minlevel those and replace the starting races with shitty ones
lol i didnt know thats what u meant. yeah, that's pretty messed up. I hear that's what TC did, I didn't like it. The standard races are what their names suggest: standard. At least on our server, that is.. Now back to topic. Those who think WCS should be included, raise your hands.. No one? Well, I guess we've decided! (lol) |
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2011, 05:58:41 AM » |
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/facepalm
You keep talking about an addon like this ruining w3s but in the end there is NO DIFFERENCE !
You run your server how YOU want its just a more stable alternative to WCS !
There will be no 1000000x speed super OP races if you don't allow it whats the difference if the servers with those use w3s or wcs, it just promotes the mod and may bridge people into learning w3s and help the community grow.
You dont need to use 1000 races with a 5000 minlevel requirement at the moment with WCS out is anyone forcing you to? I did not think so.
You guys need to stop generalizing.
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War3Source races have to respect each other, consider how all races are alike and should harmonize. That's one of the reasons I decided to go with war3source - because it's fair to EVERYONE. Thanks
THIS IS NOT TRUE THIS IS BASED ON THE SERVER OWNER AND WHAT THEY MAKE AND ADD TO THE SERVER REGARDLESS OF MOD!
Holliday's WCS server features only 50 or so races each with unique skills, and he uses WCS.
Right now i can go make a copy and paste W3S races and make it super imbalanced and have a server like WCS if I wanted to.
This statement is one of the most stupid things I have ever read..
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Now back to topic. Those who think WCS should be included, raise your hands.. No one? Well, I guess we've decided! (lol)
Not saying that WCS should be including we're saying a method of coding races that is more basic and simple or a generic skill system
Oh and while im editing I did not ask Ownz or Glider to make it if they don't want it i'd look at it myself or maybe other people might, its an idea and its being thrown out there
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2011, 11:58:00 AM » |
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Not saying that WCS should be including we're saying a method of coding races that is more basic and simple or a generic skill system
Generic skills?  Oh and while im editing I did not ask Ownz or Glider to make it if they don't want it i'd look at it myself or maybe other people might, its an idea and its being thrown out there
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2011, 05:36:39 PM » |
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are you loco in the coco? we got some russian translators that use svn if Android is open source, why can't i see ice cream  ? |
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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2011, 10:45:41 AM » |
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I don't update my translations (Since I need to change the [War3Source] to (War3Source) each time because of the l4d2 limitation...) so I wouldn't know. Still I'd rather have some more coders than russian translation to make it easier for russians to remove the PimpinJuice and Ownz in the start menuServer owners are dicks and ruin the hard work we put in as coders I'm not the only one with this opinion  There's only one teeny-tiny obstacle in our way. As a great programmer I worked with once said: It's the damn users. They've ruined every program I've ever created.
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2011, 10:29:04 PM » |
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glider, try inserting a loadtranslations either before the official _commons or after the _commons see if it can overwrite that translation singly. its always better to resolve the conflict than dealing with a hidden branch.
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2011, 05:02:31 AM » |
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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2011, 11:07:00 AM » |
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merge once, never have to fix again later
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